TOPICS discussed include: conspiracy theories, Bush's tiny brain, news from NYC, news from Kabul, Taleban, performance art, art and life, web as open medium, Las Vegas, sex and peace, reasons for bed-in, media coverage, solutions to terrorism, adbusters, update on status of bed-in and fast
yashesspace: star where you at?
yashesspace: Ah right ..... friend of mine is just moving back there
Bed-In New Zealand: star, what will you do today if you don't go surfing? and yashes, what do you do in ibiza?
yashesspace: you have a web page too
star: i will sleep
star: my typing is bad
yashesspace: I am a Macintosh Troubleshooter .... work in Internet Cafe .... and at night do Soundengeneering
star: i was up to late talking with andy last night
Bed-In New Zealand: oh really, that sounds like fun, soundengineering in clubs, or?
star: i'm on a G4
Bed-In New Zealand: nice, we are all mac happy
Bed-In New Zealand: although andy is more partial to the pc.
star: that's cause he's a computer guy
Bed-In New Zealand: internet cafe must be busy in ibiza. who are your most regular patrons these days?
yashesspace: what patrons ..... ibiza is a world patron .... the old town at least
yashesspace: lots more stuff there you might like to look at .... little movie clip that is funny ...... HOUSEMUSIC
star: so who thinks Bush knew abount sept 11 before it happened
star: hey nyc
yashesspace: well he sure was not arround
yashesspace: the pillow is back
Bed-In New Zealand: you guys really think he knew?
Bed-In New Zealand: and yashes, mac troubleshooter, i cant access your page!
yashesspace: well not really but it is a bit weird
Bed-In New Zealand: the troubleshooter's job is never over!
star: back in july the man in charge of the FBI came under investigation
yashesspace: that is funny let me check
NewYorkCity: please! you must be joking star!
NewYorkCity: yep...i'm back.
NewYorkCity: actually don't mind me...
NewYorkCity: i'm gonna be in and out cause i'm exploring and trying certain things.
star: he lost a breifcase contaning all of the operations in the NYC area in florida
Bed-In New Zealand: what kind of operations?
Bed-In New Zealand: hello mr. sensation. Welcome to the bed-in for peace
Bed-In New Zealand: and to thickeye as well
star: why is he in florida when all this happen and why did he encourage his brother to write up something to declare marshall law in case of a national disaster just 4 days before the attack?
Bed-In New Zealand: good points. i don't even want to know what is in bush's tiny little brain. andy and i joked that we would leave the country when he got elected, and, well, in a way we have. i am so frightened of him being in charge during this sensitive and difficult period.
Bed-In New Zealand: we need a serious statesman that can bring the world together, not farther apart.
star: there is a history w/the saudis that goes all the way back to the nazis directly to Bush family corp.
star: i think that is somewhat of an oxymoron.
Bed-In New Zealand: which part?
Bed-In New Zealand: okay yashes, i'll try again later. this is your address no? http://homepage.mac.com/yashesspace/Filesharing.html..
Bed-In New Zealand: perhaps statewoman would be better.
yashesspace: stateswoman sounds good ..... unless she does all the same stupidities men have done
Bed-In New Zealand: i'm trying your site again, it should take a few minutes.
Bed-In New Zealand: very true!
yashesspace: dam crashes ..... though i have not had one today
Bed-In New Zealand: technology can be so troublesome!
Bed-In New Zealand: wow, i can hear you both loud and clear.
Bed-In New Zealand: ideally, but we can also record.
yashesspace: did you get the mail or the file of the disk
yashesspace: well NY has a real problem
Bed-In New Zealand: i'm still working on it yash! sorry for the delay, the computer is a bit overloaded at the moment. so nyc can't get back in?
yashesspace: hi sig
yashesspace: lots of friends where you are
yashesspace: or is it family?
yashesspace: no one writing anymore?
Bed-In New Zealand: hi sig. Welcome to the bed-in for peace
Bed-In New Zealand: hi yash - i am still working on your page, hold the fort down for me for a minute,
prince: i can hear you
Bed-In New Zealand: hi prince. Welcome to the bed-in for peace
Bed-In New Zealand: hello barborama... Welcome to the bed-in for peace
Bed-In New Zealand: hello
Bed-In New Zealand: Welcome to the bed-in for peace
maxx: from me?
Bed-In New Zealand: yes
Bed-In New Zealand: hi star, surfing?
maxx: ehhmm... about the current situation...
Bed-In New Zealand: do you think the bombing of afgahnistan is a good thing or not?
star: no getting ready to go out stopped by to see how things were going.
maxx: i think its very bad
star: war sucks
star: straight up
Bed-In New Zealand: yep... maxx where are you from?
Bed-In New Zealand: how did you arrive in this room?
maxx: i dont know... never been to new z.
Bed-In New Zealand: i meant this room on ivisit
maxx: what do u think about this bombing?
Bed-In New Zealand: i also think its very bad - will lead to more terrorism, and will probably end up killing more people than the WTC disaster
maxx: the german speaking rooms are empty... and i cannot speak italian or spanish..
star: what's up nyc .....andy
Bed-In New Zealand: well, this is a good room... very peaceful
maxx: yes. that eye-for-an-eye story
star: it's all about oil people
maxx: and ppl think its some religious think..
star: religion has nothing to do with this
Bed-In New Zealand: hello meridian!
maxx: aha yes
Bed-In New Zealand: religion is strange - its message is peace and love, but its interpreted as hate
maxx: what time is it in N.Z.?
Bed-In New Zealand: nearly 12 noon, saturday, and austria?
maxx: 0.45 at night. so why r u in a bed?
Bed-In New Zealand: we are staying in bed and fasting for world peace for 48 hours. we got the idea from John Lennon and Yoko Ono who did it to stop the Vietnam War
Bed-In New Zealand: we'll be here until Sunday night our time
maxx: ciao ppl im going to sleep
Bed-In New Zealand: ciao, thanks for dropping in... sweet dreams
maxx: have a nice "stay-in-bed"
Bed-In New Zealand: thanks
Meridian: Hello Andy, Marina and Carl Heyward and Anne here
Meridian: Is Amy asleep?
Meridian: Carl says hello to the neo John and Yoko
Meridian: Anne remembers vividly John and Yoko and their bed in for peace in Montreal and Toronto.
Meridian: Anne wants Amy to know that it seems very significant that your bed in started the same day as our very first Meridian Interns meeting
Meridian: And the same time Carl Heyward is working on an article on the program for street sheet magazine to be featured in their November issue.
Meridian: Hi Amy, did you have nice dreams?
Bed-In New Zealand: hello, this is andy...
Bed-In New Zealand: amy just woke up and is a little groggy
Bed-In New Zealand: hello brad from Alaska
Brad From Alaska: hello
Bed-In New Zealand: Welcome to the bed-in for peace...
Brad From Alaska: quite a scene
Brad From Alaska: so what is up
Brad From Alaska: oh
Brad From Alaska: ahh
Brad From Alaska: well im going to las vegas
Brad From Alaska: to show that flying is safe
Bed-In New Zealand: good for you
Bed-In New Zealand: we like LV, and hate it at the same time
Brad From Alaska: also going on a business trip with my wife
Brad From Alaska: we are married 11 years tomorrow
Bed-In New Zealand: congrats!
Brad From Alaska: thanks
Bed-In New Zealand: do you gamble?
Brad From Alaska: hey have you heard of BrainGarden in New Zealand
Bed-In New Zealand: no what is it
Brad From Alaska: its whole foods
Brad From Alaska: all natural
Bed-In New Zealand: where are they based?
Brad From Alaska: we are in australia, new zealand, japan, hopefully soon in korea, usa
Brad From Alaska: but our pulse bars come from australia
Bed-In New Zealand: you make them? i think we had one once
Brad From Alaska: would you like to see my webpage
Bed-In New Zealand: sure
Brad From Alaska: well our company does. the bars are made in australia - www.pulseparty.com/102460
Brad From Alaska: i havent seen a bed in since john and yoko
Bed-In New Zealand: no, thats where we got the idea
Brad From Alaska: so are you advertising it
Brad From Alaska: hey i gave blood
Bed-In New Zealand: i guess so, mainly, we're advertising peace before i can do it again
Meridian: Good bye and good luck Andy and Amy! Tony has to send a fax. Tony says we saw all the action and we loved it.
Bed-In New Zealand: we all do what we can do... giving blood is great
Brad From Alaska: can you hear me? my mic is down i think. you can hear me? i hear you
Bed-In New Zealand: try agian
Brad From Alaska: anything?
Brad From Alaska: darn, ok
Brad From Alaska: hey it snowed here
Brad From Alaska: so are you getting any wierd stuff in the mail in new zealand
Bed-In New Zealand: not yet, but they're have been hoaxes and people have been arrested
Brad From Alaska: cool
Brad From Alaska: i hope they go to jail the rest of their sick lives - the people they arrest
Bed-In New Zealand: i'm sure they must have psychological problems
Brad From Alaska: yeah, maybe they need electroshock therapy
Brad From Alaska: did you find our website? interested if it is the same stuff you tried
Bed-In New Zealand: not yet, i wrote it down to look at later
Bed-In New Zealand: we'll look now
Brad From Alaska: ok
Brad From Alaska: cool
Brad From Alaska: will you write to tell me? our email is on there
Bed-In New Zealand: we're loading it now
NewYorkCity: i'm up and about again.
Brad From Alaska: oh ok
NewYorkCity: it's good to see you're both awake now andy and amy.
NewYorkCity: hi brad.
Brad From Alaska: hey nyc
Bed-In New Zealand: hello GEE, Welcome to the bed-in for peace
NewYorkCity: brad, please feel free to call me toni.
Brad From Alaska: ok Toni
Brad From Alaska: so how is nyc
NewYorkCity: did i miss any action andy?
Brad From Alaska: today
Bed-In New Zealand: not really, its been fairly quiet...
NewYorkCity: i haven't been out today cause i've been here with amy and andy since i woke up this morning.
Brad From Alaska: have you had very many people visit you online?
Bed-In New Zealand: Austria came in , star was back, SF
Brad From Alaska: am i the first alaskan to say hello?
Bed-In New Zealand: quite a few, 50/50 interested parties and sex fiends
NewYorkCity: i c
NewYorkCity: there's a new anthrax case here today i just read.
Brad From Alaska: Toni what do you do in NYC?
NewYorkCity: an employee of the new york post got skin anthrax.
NewYorkCity: i'm at NYU
Brad From Alaska: oh my wife and i are in business for ourselves
NewYorkCity: i'm doing my PhD and i teach there.
Brad From Alaska: but we still work too. brb
NewYorkCity: so when can we talk about the bed-in as performance andy & amy?
Bed-In New Zealand: go ahead
NewYorkCity: i see you're using audio now. actually, i'd rather do it a little later.
NewYorkCity: the performance started even before that!
NewYorkCity: that's not what i meant.
NewYorkCity: i mean...i'd like to talk about the performance with you.
NewYorkCity: ok. later works great for me.
NewYorkCity: it's getting busy again now! goody!
Bed-In New Zealand: okay toni, whenever you are ready, we'll be here!
Bed-In New Zealand: hello barb, deb Welcome to the bed-in for peace
barborama: hi amy & andy! i'm writing to you from under the covers in christchurch. how are you?
Bed-In New Zealand: we're good
Bed-In New Zealand: a little tired and hungry but having fun
barborama: i stopped in on a peace rally in cathedral square yesterday eve. a local group is organizing weekly friday eve. peace walks/rallies.
Bed-In New Zealand: how was that?
Bed-In New Zealand: hello oasis. were you here before? if not, Welcome to the bed-in for peace
barborama: pretty good. i couldn't stay too long, but there was a man speaking who, with his family, was in Kabul when the first bombs hit.
barborama: pretty scary.
Bed-In New Zealand: the aid worker?
Bed-In New Zealand: i read about him. any new info on the kabul situation?
Bed-In New Zealand: hi orange. Welcome to the bed-in for peace
OrangeDre: wake up NZ
Bed-In New Zealand: where are you orange!
OrangeDre: well tell me what you want to know
OrangeDre: in holland the weather is not good, not bad
barborama: not sure if he's an aid worker. he had already started speaking when i got there. he was talking about how people there who had been ready to cut off ties with the Taliban are now turning back to join them.
Bed-In New Zealand: your views on the world, peace, life, etc...
OrangeDre: pfjew, is a very complex issue
Bed-In New Zealand: oh no barb, that doesn't sound good, in order to join together against the usUS?
Bed-In New Zealand: pfjew?
OrangeDre: is dutch i guess
Bed-In New Zealand: welcome back brad, where in alaska are you? and i think that it is great that you and your wife own your own business. distributing braingarden goods? that is one way to have independance and feel like you are making a positive contribution.
Bed-In New Zealand: orange- does it mean phew?
Bed-In New Zealand: tomtom! welcome to the bed-in!
Bed-In New Zealand: and to you to xil, Welcome to the bed-in for peace
Brad From Alaska: hello. Im sorry, i was vacuuming. we are in anchorage, Alaska.
Brad From Alaska: im doing house chores
Bed-In New Zealand: good to take time for personal tasks.
Brad From Alaska: yeah we are happy that we are changing peoples lives doing our businesses
Brad From Alaska: we are helping others get out of the rat race
Brad From Alaska: hopefully in two years we will be independent completely
Bed-In New Zealand: hello brrivids, Welcome to the bed-in for peace
Brad From Alaska: so is the food the same as what you indulged in
Bed-In New Zealand: that sounds great brad!
Bed-In New Zealand: well, we are still confirming that.
Brad From Alaska: what do you two do in nz
Meridian: Marina at the keyboard, Anne at the helm
Brad From Alaska: hey if you like to see what my wife looks like, go to our other website, www.excelir.com/dstoro, there is a picture of us both
Meridian: Anne: Our love to you both. "Image." I was inspired by the spirit that animated your bed-in project at a time of so much rage, misunderstanding, mistrust.
Bed-In New Zealand: okay, we are on a residency here at new pacific studio. we are artists working on a bunch of projects, including this one.
Brad From Alaska: cool
Bed-In New Zealand: yes, thanks meridian, we had to do something besides sit back and watch the mayhem.
Brad From Alaska: are you in Auckland
Meridian: As I entered my 1st meeting of the year without Amy, I felt invested with her energy and love for the interns all but two of whom are returning from the past.
Bed-In New Zealand: no we are 1.5 hours north of wellington in the wairarapa
Brad From Alaska: oh on the south island. ok
NewYorkCity: i see that andy's resting again.
NewYorkCity: our biorhythms seem to be so out of sync
Bed-In New Zealand: yes, andy is having a bit of a rest now, that's what happens when you live how many time zones away and are up most of the night!
Brad From Alaska: oh Toni
Bed-In New Zealand: no, brad, actually the south of the north island.
Brad From Alaska: we lost a few of our team members
Meridian: Austen and Marina PW made a double sided banner at the Quakers Center in SF reading "Justice no Vengence, no more victims." Austen, deeply distressed by the war and repression is visiting NY's ground zero and I asked him to visit Amy Goodman at Democracy Now.
NewYorkCity: i'm actually very impressed by your stamina...
NewYorkCity: i mean both of you.
NewYorkCity: it's not easy staying in bed all day chatting with people on iVisit.
Bed-In New Zealand: what about you?
Meridian: HI amy how are you, this is cindy
Meridian: yes austen is in ny. do you like new zealand?
Brad From Alaska: oh im in anchorage, alaska
Bed-In New Zealand: hi cindy! how are you? your summer trip, etc... are you going to state this fall?
Brad From Alaska: i have been to new zealand before
Bed-In New Zealand: have you?, new zealand is a very nice country and the people seem thoughtful and sincere.
Meridian: yes im going to sfsu right now and im helping anny and tony right now
Brad From Alaska: my wife and i also are Excel representatives
Brad From Alaska: we heard that a few excel reps were lost in the trade center attacks
Meridian: that's good
Brad From Alaska: yes Amy
Brad From Alaska: we enjoyed our stay
Bed-In New Zealand: they seem to allow and encourage differing points of view, and feel able and supported to attack them as well, a fairly healthy political sustem
Brad From Alaska: we then went on to australia
Meridian: im leaving now, bye amy
NewYorkCity: would you say it's more liberal than NY?
Brad From Alaska: i did not know them personally but it affected all of us at Excel Communications
Bed-In New Zealand: bye cindy, nice to talk with you (cindy is a former student of mine in sf!)
Meridian: Carl Heyward says hi and keep it up. Get some sleep if you can.
Bed-In New Zealand: no, it still is quite provincial, but it certainly has a different vibe about politics, but almost a similar can do attitude.
Meridian: Bye Amy, I'll check in with you from home tomorrow, Marina
Bed-In New Zealand: hey carl. you keep up your good work. talk to you soon.
Bed-In New Zealand: bye marina! thanks for checking in. we'll see you later.
Brad From Alaska: did you see the picture of my wife and I Amy?
Bed-In New Zealand: no brad, where is it?
Brad From Alaska: www.excelir.com/dstoro
Bed-In New Zealand: it's hard to keep up with all the activity so bear with me, things seem to have quieted down a bit.
Brad From Alaska: it is on the first page of our other web page
Bed-In New Zealand: okay, i'll look and look again at those bars.
Brad From Alaska: np
Brad From Alaska: cool
NewYorkCity: i had a look at your website earlier amy...
NewYorkCity: some of your work is quite close to performance art
Bed-In New Zealand: really, can you be more specific
NewYorkCity: i'm not surprized that you chose to do this bed-in
Brad From Alaska: what is your web page amy
NewYorkCity: do you frame this bed-in as art too?
Bed-In New Zealand: of course!
Bed-In New Zealand: my webpage is amyberk.com and andy's is twcdc.com
Bed-In New Zealand: yeah, i'm not surprised either!
NewYorkCity: good move.
Bed-In New Zealand: brad, we can't load that page, sorry and the garden website is so complicated we haven't confirmed the bars yet!
NewYorkCity: i've been thinking about what i asked you earlier amy...
Bed-In New Zealand: which is?
NewYorkCity: i mean about having a little talk about this bed-in as performance...
NewYorkCity: and i'm thinking i should not use your bed-in time for that.
Bed-In New Zealand: art and life can be the same, take brad for instance, he is now vacuuming, a performative act?
Bed-In New Zealand: oh i see, well i could see the benefits both ways.
NewYorkCity: yes me too...
NewYorkCity: this is why i'm asking you if you're framing this bed-in as art...in any way.
NewYorkCity: i think you are...but i'm not sure.
Bed-In New Zealand: well yes, as art that creates questions, understanding and solace, as the art of everyday life, as the creation of two artists...
Bed-In New Zealand: all that and so much more.
NewYorkCity: in that case i think we should not talk about "the piece" while it's happening. but after the assigned time is over.
Bed-In New Zealand: okay, if you want to conform to those boundaries!
Bed-In New Zealand: hello sim, Welcome to the bed-in for peace
NewYorkCity: i have your email address so it should be relatively easy for me to contact you.
NewYorkCity: i was telling andy earlier this morning that i'm writing a book about what i call the open web...
Bed-In New Zealand: oh absolutely. that would be fine. wow, that message does seem to do the trick for voyeurs!
NewYorkCity: and i'd like to mention this bed-in as an example of what may no longer be possible if there's no open web.
NewYorkCity: it works wonders!
Bed-In New Zealand: oh really. what projects/stuff are you thinking about?
NewYorkCity: i've been looking very closely at franklin furnace.
NewYorkCity: are you familar with franklin furnace?
Bed-In New Zealand: right, i understand where you are going with that. as a part of the increased repression?
Bed-In New Zealand: hi rabbitt, Welcome to the bed-in for peace
NewYorkCity: yes...i believe that there needs to be more awareness about the possibility of a corporate/commercial takeover of the web as medium.
NewYorkCity: that's what happened with radio in the 1920s.
NewYorkCity: and the whole napster fiasco that's been going on for the past several months is a great litmus test for what i'm talking about.
Bed-In New Zealand: yes, absolutely. these are issues that many people do not think about. perhaps this is one "good" thing that can come out of the tragic events
NewYorkCity: andy was telling me how he thinks that peer-to-peer applications are the way forward to secure an open web.
NewYorkCity: oh! Ok.
NewYorkCity: i think i'm gonna pack it in for tonight. i'm exhausted.
Bed-In New Zealand: i can't really talk very well to that one, you'll have to wait for andy.
NewYorkCity: sure...no problem.
NewYorkCity: i'll see you again first thing in the morning.
Bed-In New Zealand: okay toni, good night!
NewYorkCity: i'm not leaving my cam and connection on to conserve bandwidth.
Bed-In New Zealand: okay, but we'll miss you, we put our images together on the top left like on your web page!
NewYorkCity: it was great to have the opportunity to spend this day with you and andy.
Bed-In New Zealand: with you too toni, and just think, we have tommorrow too.
NewYorkCity: have a good evening...i'll see you in the middle of the next night time in you timezone!
NewYorkCity: maybe i should try the audio ...
NewYorkCity: hand on...
Bed-In New Zealand: waving from across the world.
Bed-In New Zealand: bye
Bed-In New Zealand: so brad, i've finally seen an image of the bars, and no, we haven't tried these, but we will. we like whole food bars like these.
Brad From Alaska: YES YOU CAN SHOP FROM MY WEBSITE
Brad From Alaska: DO YOU SEE ME AND ARE YOU GETTING THIS
Brad From Alaska: YOU CAN GO TO MY SITE AND CLICK SHOP REGISTER AS A RETAIL CUSTOMER UNDER THEAUS/ NZ SHOPPING. THEN GO ON FROM THERE
Bed-In New Zealand: YES, HI BRAD, I WAS JUST INVESTIGATING YOUR SITE AGAIN. AND YES, I SEE YOU
Bed-In New Zealand: CAN YOU SEE US?
Brad From Alaska: IF YOUR INTERESTED LATER IN THE PRODUCT YOU CAN GET THE PRODUCTS AT WHOLESALE BY BECOMING A DISTRIBUTOR IF YOU WISH BUT IT IS UP TO YOU
Brad From Alaska: YES I SEE YOU
Bed-In New Zealand: POSSIBLE!
Brad From Alaska: CAN YOU WAVE AGAIN
Brad From Alaska: COOL. OOPS. THATS KIWI IN ME. LOL
Bed-In New Zealand: VERY FUNNY!
Brad From Alaska: HMMM DONT SEE YOU LAUGHING, BUT THEN I CANT SEE YOUR FACE TOO GOOD
Brad From Alaska: MY WIFE AND I GO TO LAS VEGAS ON SUNDAY, WE WILL BE MARRIED 11 YEARS TOMORROW, WOW HOW THE TIME FLIES
Bed-In New Zealand: DO YOU GAMBLE? WHERE ARE YOU STAYING?
Brad From Alaska: GOOD AND BAD TIMES, WE ARE HAPPY NOW
Brad From Alaska: WE GAMBLE ONLY LIGHTLY, AND FOR FUN
Bed-In New Zealand: THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. IT IS SO HARD TO MAINTAIN A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP!
Brad From Alaska: WE ARE STAYING AT THE LAS VEGAS HILTON
Bed-In New Zealand: US TOO.
Brad From Alaska: WELL ACTUALLY THE LAS VEGAS GRAND VACATION CLUB
Bed-In New Zealand: NICE.
Brad From Alaska: WE ARE GETTIGN A TWO BEDROOM SUITE, WE ARE TAKING OUR MOMS WITH US
Brad From Alaska: WERE THINKING OF MOVING THERE AND TAKING THEM WITH US
Brad From Alaska: YOU ARE MARRIED TOO?
Bed-In New Zealand: WOW, LIVING LARGE, RIGHT ON, YOU ONLY GO AROUND ONCE!
Brad From Alaska: HOW LONG
Bed-In New Zealand: THAT'S GREAT. DO BOTH YOUR MOMS LIVE IN ALASKA?
Brad From Alaska: WELL I ONLY LIVE LARGE BECAUSE WE ARE SUCCESSFUL WITH OUR BUSINESSES
Bed-In New Zealand: WELL, ANDY AND I ARE LONG TERM PARTNERS - 5 1/2 YEARS.
Brad From Alaska: NO MY WIFE DIANAS MOM LIVES HERE IN ANCHORAGE, AND MY MOM LIVES IN OREGON
Bed-In New Zealand: GOOD FOR YOU. ESPECIALLY AS YOU ARE DOING IT ON YOUR OWN TERMS.
Brad From Alaska: WE ARE MEETING UP IN SEATTLE
Brad From Alaska: YES, MY WIFE AND I STILL WORK JOBS BUT ARE SLOWLY GETTING AWAY FROM THAT TYPE OF LIFE
Bed-In New Zealand: HELLO GIRL AND MAN, Welcome to the bed-in for peace
girl and man: hello
girl and man: we live for fun and sex
girl and man: and live for world peace
Bed-In New Zealand: OKAY, NOW YOU'RE TALKING. WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED?
Brad From Alaska: HELLO
girl and man: england
Brad From Alaska: WE CANT SEE YOU GIRL AND MAN, OR AT LEAST I CANT
Bed-In New Zealand: I CAN'T EITHER.
girl and man: our cam is playing up
Brad From Alaska: HEY, I CAN SEE
girl and man: you both look very sexy
Brad From Alaska: NOTHING
Brad From Alaska: SO AMY
Bed-In New Zealand: YES BRAD?
Brad From Alaska: CAN I PRIVATE YOU A MESSAGE
Bed-In New Zealand: YES, DO YOU KNOW HOW?
girl and man: we should all take our clothes off and pray for peace
Brad From Alaska: WELL IT DOESNT SEEM TO WORK
Brad From Alaska: YOUR PRIVATE BUTTON IS GRAY
girl and man: shall we
Bed-In New Zealand: YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT THIS ROOM IS FOR SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT WORLD EVENTS, SEX ROOMS ARE ELSEWHERE.
Bed-In New Zealand: OKAY BRAD, LET ME WORK ON IT.
Brad From Alaska: OK
Bed-In New Zealand: OKAY, THAT SHOULD DO IT.
Brad From Alaska: WELL I WAS GOING TO TELLL YOU WHAT YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNEW
Brad From Alaska: THIS WAS A WIERDO
Brad From Alaska: I JUST BLACKLISTED HIM, AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO THE SAME
Bed-In New Zealand: YES, YES, USUALLY THE INCOMING MESSAGE DOES THE TRICK BUT SOMETIMES IT TAKES A BIT LONGER.
Brad From Alaska: BUT HE LEFT UNLESS YOU BANNED HIM
Bed-In New Zealand: RIGHT, WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP IT OPEN BUT WE HAVEN'T MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH IVISIT SO ... IT SEEMS TO BE OKAY NOW AFTER A SPATE OF SEX PERVS AT THE BEGINNING.
Bed-In New Zealand: ALMOST WORKS AS "COMIC" ENTERTAINMENT IN A WAY, EVERYONE TRYING TO CONNECT ON SOME LEVEL
Brad From Alaska: YEAH, IVISIT IS OK, BUT YOU ARE DEEP INTO IT IN ANOTHER LEVEL
Brad From Alaska: OUTSIDE THE ADULTS ROOM
Bed-In New Zealand: RIGHT.
Brad From Alaska: HOW OLD ARE YOU AND ANDY
Bed-In New Zealand: I AM 34 AND ANDY JUST TURNED 40. AND YOU?
Brad From Alaska: IM 39
Brad From Alaska: U ARE MARRIED?
Bed-In New Zealand: IN A SENSE. COMMITTED PARTNERS.
Brad From Alaska: OH OK
Bed-In New Zealand: WE HAD A GREAT 40TH CELEBRATION FOR ANDY WITH LOTS OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY. I RECOMMEND.
Bed-In New Zealand: IT'S NICE TO REALLY HONOR THE "BIG" CHANGES IN YOUR LIFE - OR TO MAKE CEREMONY WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT.
Brad From Alaska: COOL
Bed-In New Zealand: A PHONE CALL!
Brad From Alaska: YES, VEGAS, BUSINESS
Bed-In New Zealand: ARE YOU IN THE OFFICE OR DO YOU WORK FROM HOME?
Brad From Alaska: WORK FROM HOME. I ALSO DO MY BUSINESS AT MY JOB WHEN I CAN
Brad From Alaska: WE ARE INTO COMMUNICATIONS AND THEN THE WHOLE FOODS, WE ALSO HAVE ESSENTIAL OILS AND BODY PRODUCTS MADE FROM FRUITS AND VEGGIES
Bed-In New Zealand: YOU SOUND VERY BUSY, LIKE ARTISTS, ALWAYS WORKING AT ONE THING OR ANOTHER.
Brad From Alaska: YEAH
Brad From Alaska: I WAS GOING TO BE AN ARTIST, OR ACTOR, COMEDIAN, BUT EHH, SO WHAT HAPPEND TO ANDY
Bed-In New Zealand: REALLY? WHAT HAPPENED? REMEMBER THE VACUUMING. I THINK YOU CAN BE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BE.
Brad From Alaska: WHY DID HE GET STARTLED
Bed-In New Zealand: WHO? ANDY?
Brad From Alaska: LOOK AT OUR SNOW
Bed-In New Zealand: I CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. I DO SEE A WHITE WINDOW BEHIND YOU.
Bed-In New Zealand: WOW. LOVELY
Brad From Alaska: YES, HEY I WILL SHOW YOU THE BARS, HOLD ON, THATS THE BOX
Bed-In New Zealand: VERY NICE! WE WILL ORDER SOME AFTER TALKING ABOUT IT FOR SO LONG. THEY LOOK EXPECIALLY GOOD AS WE HAVE BEEN FASTING!
Brad From Alaska: HERES A BAR
Bed-In New Zealand: WHICH ARE YOUR FAVORITE?
Brad From Alaska: HERE IS THE BAG. THE BARS - THEY ARE MORE CONVINIENT
Brad From Alaska: I LOVE CHERRY PULSE BUT THEY ARE IN SEASON
Bed-In New Zealand: WE ARE GOING TRAMPING IN A FEW WEEKS AND PERHAPS WE WILL TAKE THEM WITH US.
Brad From Alaska: I LIKE THE BLUEBERRY AND RASPBERRY
Bed-In New Zealand: GOOD TIPS.
Brad From Alaska: THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE A CHOCOLATE RASPBERRY BAR
Bed-In New Zealand: YOUR DAY JOB IS FOR EXCEL?
Brad From Alaska: IM TRYING TO GET A MOUNTAINER PERSON THAT DOES MT MCKINLEY TO TRY SOME
Lost some text here detailing the contents of the bars plus some good talk about the peace of mind oil
plus how good food would facilitate less anger and less war. Also talked to dutchy in sf and basically, a good talk with brad about natural foods and working for yourself and goind to las vegas with his wife and their moms, etc
we are going to buy some products from him for our tramp next month and be in touch.
katy: had many visitors?
Bed-In New Zealand: hello katy.. we've had quite a number passing through - we've been up all night chatting
katy: i can imagine... a lot of people in support?
Bed-In New Zealand: yes, mostly, and a lot of passersby - trawling for sex partners it seems
Bed-In New Zealand: where are you
katy: i'm living in south florida, usa right now
katy: have actually considered new zealand as a possible place to move... what's the political climate like?
katy: (forgive the rather broad question)
Bed-In New Zealand: as you can see, we're in NZ - actually 1.5 hours north of Wellington on the north island
Bed-In New Zealand: political climate is good - people seem more informed than generally is the case in the states. a range of diverse opinions, people speek their minds but seem to get along
katy: i actually, remember that you guys were doing this (was reminded from a list) and pretty much checked in without re-reading all of the info... just knew the cause.
katy: our coverage has been utterly horrible. and the only place to receive any good information is now in danger of going off air.
Bed-In New Zealand: mainly, its something to make ourselves feel less desperate, give ourselves some hope
katy: (my camera has fallen alseep)
Bed-In New Zealand: we are from the US, we're a little away from things here and wanted to connect with others
katy: anyway, i know how you feel in terms of feeling quite desperate... it feels as though so many people are divided on the issues
Bed-In New Zealand: according to the polls it seems that most people suppport what bush is doing?
katy: absolutely! it's really very sick
katy: everywhere i go (on the road) there are flags attatched to cars, shirts, buildings.
katy: horrific propaganda and most everyone is eating it up!
Bed-In New Zealand: we've been saying that a real statesperson is needed to take control of the situation diplomatically and present a more humane vision
katy: it's just not happening, the one congresswoman who did oppose the billion $ 'aid' package is being lambasted by most everyone (especially the press)
Bed-In New Zealand: anyhow, do you have any thoughts on what should be happening rather than bombing Kabul?
katy: i honestly feel as though it does come down to foreign policy...
katy: the main problem (it seems) is that (some) are asking why, etc.
katy: they are not getting the right anwers.
Bed-In New Zealand: yes, there have been a lot of policy mistakes in the past which have lead to this (not to excuse the terrorist actions)
Bed-In New Zealand: the Iraq sanctions, wholesale support for Israel, energy policy, etc
Bed-In New Zealand: hi, Welcome to the bed-in for peace...
Bed-In New Zealand: hi cliff Welcome
katy: for example, the emphasis on religious fundamantalism as a reason is preposterous... it entirely evades the real issues, which i believe very much lie in the fact that the usa is the largest distributor of terrorism. which also depends on the way in whic
marcel: peace its ok, im canadian, and i want war
cliff: from ny know all about it!!!
Bed-In New Zealand: marcel - you want war
Bed-In New Zealand: cliff - do you want war?
cliff: no, but terroism must end !
katy: amy and andy... you said that you are from the us... where about?
cliff: ive been to ground zero ,,,,,you dont ever want to witness the site
katy: and what do you 'do'
cliff: nassau county police
Bed-In New Zealand: HI KATY - I am originally from ny and andy is from britain but we live in sf.
katy: (to contextualize)
Bed-In New Zealand: really, cliff, i am from nassau county.
katy: i see.. i would love to move there as well - oh the irony
Bed-In New Zealand: katy - andy and i are both artists - i also teach and write, andy also engineers.
katy: you guys are one uping me in terms of location
Bed-In New Zealand: why irony katy? i don't get it. i see
cliff: work there live in suffolk
Bed-In New Zealand: where are you from?
Bed-In New Zealand: whoops camera mishap
katy: i am a recently graduated video artist who is finding jobs here and there teaching... am planning on grad school on the west coast
Bed-In New Zealand: actually, this is the view from our bedroom window for a bit of a change. nz is beautiful.
katy: ft. lauderdale, specifically
Bed-In New Zealand: where in south florida are you? my family lives there. oh, never mind, answered.
cliff: katy is your cam froze???
Bed-In New Zealand: i went to the west coast for grad school 10 years ago and never returned!
katy: cliff, you say no to war... (hi, by the way) (yeah, my cam turned off) what do you think about the us's actions specifically?
cliff: i used to live in cape coral ...near ft. myers
Bed-In New Zealand: cliff, must be very hard right now in your job. how are you and your peers handling things?
cliff: everyone strong but worried for our families
Bed-In New Zealand: what and who are you teaching katy?
katy: i hear that there are guards on the streets in nyc... is this true for much of manhattan?
Bed-In New Zealand: yeah, interesting how that becomes a universal, seeking out to keep relations close.
cliff: actions should have been taken when clinton was in office....too late now
cliff: security everywhere
Bed-In New Zealand: probably true cliff, actually, i thought that clinton tried to overthrow the terrorist organization, but...
katy: at the moment i'm teaching software (premiere and after effects) however, i would very much like to teach theory (art and communications theory) i'm teaching at a museum and a small private school
cliff: called off the hit...BIG mistake
Bed-In New Zealand: really?
katy: clinton only messed things up... bombing sudan...
Bed-In New Zealand: seems misplaced.
cliff: asked him the question at ground zero ....only got a blank look ....question answered????
cliff: about calling off the hit
Bed-In New Zealand: what was the question cliff?
Bed-In New Zealand: you asked who that question? clinton?
cliff: letting ben laden...LIVE!!!! YES
Bed-In New Zealand: we don't know much about that and is that really going to end all of the evil that is obviously out there?
Bed-In New Zealand: what can be done?
Bed-In New Zealand: is is enough? what is enough?
cliff: similar to bush sr. in iraq world cooperation with intelligence
cliff: should we sit back and let thousands of innocent people die ??? you cant reason with terrorists
Bed-In New Zealand: look, it's andy in the cam, we are going back to the bed shot now, enough of a vacation.
Bed-In New Zealand: no, there must be a way.
Bed-In New Zealand: terrorism must be addressed. i just don't know if airstrikes into afghanistan is the answer.
Bed-In New Zealand: cliff?
Bed-In New Zealand: how can we solve these problems in a peaceful way?
katy: (camera back on) if it really matters!
Bed-In New Zealand: nice to see you katy. it is amazing that we can have this instant connection halfway around the world.
katy: i still insist that we (the us, i mean) need to change entirely... whether or not that is possible, i am certainly not going to approve of what we are doing. (the camera connection is wonderful!)
cliff: you tell me
katy: oops, looks like we've lost our friend, cliff!
cliff: whats the alternative???
Bed-In New Zealand: i don't know the answer, just trying to find some other options.
Bed-In New Zealand: we all agree that terrorism is horrible and want to stop it, the question is what is the best way.
Bed-In New Zealand: the UN?
Bed-In New Zealand: peaceful solutions, maybe if we stop and address concerns, they will too.
katy: (it appears as though we are also together in mac solidarity! --- youve got that imac, there!)
cliff: from a cave???
Bed-In New Zealand: but it is upsetting to feel like the terrorists are somehow "winning" in any way i understand that.
Bed-In New Zealand: the cave is a problem.
katy: i think that one of the biggest problems seems to be the fact that no one is willing to publicly (or no one is able) denounce the war and speak the truth about the history of the us's actions abroad.
Bed-In New Zealand: i don't know cliff, i don't know what to believe anymore. what do the nassau police think?
cliff: want to protect and serve
Bed-In New Zealand: well said katy, as those that do are denounced as either unpatriotic or siding with terrorism.
Bed-In New Zealand: well said cliff.
katy: people are scared of seeming unsympathetic if they speak up... this is actually antithetical to any sort of humanitarian behavior
Bed-In New Zealand: hello megami. Welcome to the bed-in for peace...
Bed-In New Zealand: hello mk, ann and sony. Welcome to the bed-in for peace
Bed-In New Zealand: cliff, what are you drinking?
Bed-In New Zealand: remember we are fasting and weak and susceptible.
Bed-In New Zealand: that is something i like about nz. people are so iconoclastic they are not afraid of voicing their odd opinions vs. the more homogenized views espoused in the us
katy: to give an example... adbusters, a magazine dedicated to anti-consumerist, anti-capitalist design, has a specail american flag: a corporate flag that replaces the stars on the american flag with the corporate symblols that really do run the american gover
Bed-In New Zealand: good one adbusters.
Bed-In New Zealand: mk - if you don't stop masturbating we will have to boot you.
katy: (the rest of my post disappeared!)
*** Bed-In New Zealand has booted mk ***
Bed-In New Zealand: always a bit of a stress. kind of adds a bit of comic relief, but as we have said before in defense of our open room policy, people are just trying to connect however they can.
Bed-In New Zealand: ignore this katy - for documentation.
katy: what i was trying to say.... was that it is even more critical to expose, rather than give in to patriotism and other forms of isms that further induce cultural amnesia... 'cause the us has got the worst case of cultural amnesia i've seen (from my narrow
Bed-In New Zealand: CHAPTER END
katy: that's fine... i'm excited to be a part of your study/happening that appears to be taking place!
katy: kinda interesting to see the little textual additions....
Bed-In New Zealand: LET'S SWITCH TO ALL CAPS FOR ABIT. IT HELPS US DECODE THE EVENTS. OKAY?
Bed-In New Zealand: WE ARE HAPPY THAT YOU ARE PARTICIPATING.
katy: how long have you been up so far?
Bed-In New Zealand: WE HAVE BEEN UP AND FASTING SINCE 8 PM YESTERDAY. WE ARE UP TO 21 HOURS.
katy: WELL, GOOD! I DO FIND IT STRANGE THAT THERE AREN'T MORE PEOPLE ON RIGHT NOW
Bed-In New Zealand: THEY SEEM TO COME IN WAVES. SOMETIMES A BUNCH AND THEN SOMETIMES INTENSE CHAT BETWEEN ONE OR TWO.
Bed-In New Zealand: FEEL FREE TO DO OTHER STUFF IF YOU NEED TO AND CHECK BACK IN?
katy: (MY CAMERA KEEPS SHUTTING OFF 'CAUSE I'M NOT RECORDING... CAN'T FIND ANY OPTIONS TO SWITCH IT OFF!)
katy: I FIGURE THAT IT'S A GOOD THING TO JUST STAY CONNECTED RIGHT NOW
Bed-In New Zealand: WE ARE BUSY MULTITASKING HERE AT COMMAND CENTRAL, I HAD WRITTEN OUR OWN GROUND ZERO BUT THEN THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO FLIPPANT- SELF-EDITING.
katy: I DON'T FOLLOW!?
Bed-In New Zealand: TRUE. IT DOES SEEM EVEN MORE IMPORTANT NOW TO TRY TO CONNECT VARIOUS COMMUNITIES AND BREAK DOWN THE BARRIERS BETWEEN PEOPLE.
katy: WHERE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE VISITORS COME FROM?
Bed-In New Zealand: I HAD FIRST WRITTEN THAT WE WERE MULTITASKING (BASICALLY WEB SEARCHES, E-MAIL CHECKS, ETC... WHEN THERE IS LAG BETWEEN MESSAGES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS A LARGE GROUP INTERACTING) AT OUR OWN GROUND ZERO, BUT THEN THOUGHT THAT THE GROUND ZERO REFERENCE WAS FLIPPANT.
katy: NO... IT'S FINE BY ME...
Bed-In New Zealand: PEOPLE HAVE COME FROM ALL OVER, PARIS, FINLAND, CHILE, ALASKA, KOREA, HONG KONG, HOLLAND, SF, TEXAS...
katy: I'LL GO AHEAD AND SEND YOU GUYS SOME LINKS THAT I'VE FOUND INTERESTING (SOME MIGHT BE REDUNDANT BECAUSE A MAJORITY OF THEM ARE BASED OUT OF SF)
Bed-In New Zealand: that would be great. we haven't been in sf since july so are not up on what is happening there currently.
katy: AND I'LL STOP FROM ADJUSTING MY CAMERA...BUT... ONE QUESTION (THAT YOU CAN ANSWER AT ANY POINT, NO HURRY)
katy: WHAT MEDIUM(S) DO YOU BOTH WORK WITH, SUBJECT MATTER, ETC.
Bed-In New Zealand: we both do alot of different things. i do installation and sculpture in a "painterly" sense with fabric and styrofoam and office supplies, etc... andy is a video and internet artist/activist. check out our websites-
Bed-In New Zealand: amyberk.com and twcdc.com
Bed-In New Zealand: subject matter varies depending on project but we are both interested in looking at the underpinnings of existing structures and breaking them down in some way.
katy: -HOLD ON- :)
katy: i gotta go do something for a bit.... so i'll respond in a bit... dont want you to think i'm ignoring....
Bed-In New Zealand: no problem katy, i'll check my email and we will reconvene in a few minutes!